{"id":529,"date":"2018-11-24T14:13:09","date_gmt":"2018-11-24T14:13:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/?p=529"},"modified":"2018-12-17T12:49:50","modified_gmt":"2018-12-17T12:49:50","slug":"static-versus-dinamic-in-alpinism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/2018\/11\/24\/static-versus-dinamic-in-alpinism\/","title":{"rendered":"Static versus Dinamic (in alpinism)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>Elemente de asigurare statica si dinamica in alpinism<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Circula diverse discutii privind stabilirea unei relatii (oricat de aproximative) intre efortul static la care rezista un material (\u201cscula\u201d) de alpinism si corespondentul acestui efort intr-un soc dinamic (echivalent ca efect asupra dispozitivului).<\/p>\n<p>Adica daca de exemplu, o bucla de chinga cusuta, rezista la 2,2 tone solicitare statica (precum scrie pe eticheta), atunci, cum se poate echivala aceeasta incarcare statica, \u00a0intr-un soc dinamic (reprezentand \u00a0\u201cX\u201c \u00a0tone) si avand efect \u201csimilar\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Problema nu este deloc simpla, ba chiar e foarte laborioasa (dupa cum vom vedea mai departe).<\/p>\n<p>Sa remarcam ca pana si faimosul UIAA face referiri \u00a0tehnice (sau de standard) ambigue in procedurile sale elaborate si difuzate. De exemplu, la elemente clar solicitate<strong> dinamic <\/strong>(carabiniere, urechi de gujon, s.a.) indica valori de incercare <strong>statica<\/strong>, iar pentru gujoane \/ancore (pentru care nu exista standard la nici un fabricant !) face totusi trimitere la un standard, dar un standard de testareare (si asta statica), si nu referitor la fabricatia acestora (pentru fabricatie exista doar o Recomandare Europeana din industria materialelor de constructii, dar nu un standard, ca la urechile de gujon de ex.). UIAA insa, lasa subiectul \u201cin ceata\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Revenind. Am selectat oaresce articole de pe internet pe aceasta tema. Uneori aricolele sunt ample si chiar foarte academice. Am incercat sa sintetizez cateva aspecte ce nu necesita o abordare fizico-matematica foarte complexa si sa ajungem totusi la o &#8222;concluzie&#8221; (sa-i zicem simplificata, si, evident &#8230; subiectiva).<\/p>\n<p>Pentru inceput citez un material editat de Politehnica din Milano, si care studiaza cat se poate de doct , cadera unei bile uriase pe un teren pietros (au construit un stand pentru asta si fac incercari diverse).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/a.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-532\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/a.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/a.jpg 600w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/a-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.prometeo.polimi.it\/POSS\/POSSing\/POSS_CadutaMassi_eng.html<\/p>\n<p>Multiplele aruncari ale bilei catre sol, in diverse conditii, au fost sintetizate prin calcule savante (iti \u201cprinzi urechile\u201d in formulele din articol) in niste grafice de sinteza (si alea foarte complexe) dupa cum se poate vedea :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/b.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-533\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/b.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/b.jpg 600w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/b-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/c.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-534\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/c.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/c.jpg 600w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/c-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.prometeo.polimi.it\/POSS\/POSSing\/1.pdf<\/p>\n<p>Sa incercam totusi cateva concluzii :<\/p>\n<p>Intai, de ce bila ? Pentru ca e perfect simetrica si implicit nu trebuie studiat fenomenul pe 3 axe, ci doar pe axa verticala (altfel s-ar complica si mai mult studiul si formulele). In cazul studierii caderii corpului uman (intr-un alt articol , pentru hamuri de \u201cprotectia muncii\u201d) se vede ca studiul se extinde pe 3 axe :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/corp-uman-in-cadere-analizat-pe-3-axe.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-535\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/corp-uman-in-cadere-analizat-pe-3-axe.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"355\" height=\"271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/corp-uman-in-cadere-analizat-pe-3-axe.jpg 355w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/corp-uman-in-cadere-analizat-pe-3-axe-300x229.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 355px) 100vw, 355px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ce putem constata ca diferente distinctive intre fenomenul static si fenomenul dinamic ?<\/p>\n<p>Sa pornim de la faptul ca un corp in cadere, acumuleaza energie cinetica, care creste, si creste\u2026 (pe masura ce corpul cade)\u2026. Si ?&#8230; si ce se intampla cu aceasta energie acumulata ? Pai, cumva, aceasta energie acumulata trebuieste disipata ! (corpul trebuie sa \u201cscape\u201d de ea , pentru a se putea intoarce la starea de echilibru \u2013 pierduta-). Si exista doua posibilitati : 1.) Corpul urca din nou (cazul unui pendul de ex.) ; si 2.) Corpul suporta un soc (uneori distrugator \u2013 sau pentru corpul in sine, sau pentru suprafata de impact-). Tematica noastra se refera la cazul 2.).<\/p>\n<p>Deci, abordand fenomenul din acest punct de vedere, vom constata ca privind\u00a0 aspectul static al problemei, efortul suportat de corp este ceva mai scazut , dar , mai intins ca durata, pe cand aspectul dinamic comporta un soc mai scurt, dar, de valoare absoluta mai ridicata ; si, putem vedea in reprezentarea\u00a0 de mai jos graficele comparative (static\/dinamic, sub 1\/3 sec. !) , asta pentru un ham-vesta\u00a0 (pentru o bucla, de ex., sigur vor fi alte grafice !)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efortul-in-ham-cu-vesta-static-si-dinamic.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-536\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efortul-in-ham-cu-vesta-static-si-dinamic.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"734\" height=\"485\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efortul-in-ham-cu-vesta-static-si-dinamic.png 734w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efortul-in-ham-cu-vesta-static-si-dinamic-300x198.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 734px) 100vw, 734px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sa subliniem faptul ca, compararea lor NU se poate face ca <strong>valoare absoluta<\/strong> (de varf de sarcina), ci mai degraba, utila in estimare, este SUPRAFATA delimitate de curba graficului si axa orizontala de coordonate. Aceasta abordare se vede si in graficul urmator, unde se evidentiaza \u201csuportabilitatea fiziologica\u201d a cataratorului, in corelare cu alungirea unei corzi dinamice (pana la rupere !).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efort-la-cataratorfunctie-de-alungire-dinamica.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-537\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/efort-la-cataratorfunctie-de-alungire-dinamica.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"516\" height=\"412\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Si aici, sa remarcam faptul ca organismul suporta solicitari de maxim 500\u2026600 kg (unii zic chiar 8 x \u201cg\u201d, dar la extremum &#8211; extremum), pe cand ruperea corzi (la factor 2 de cadere) inseamna o limitare dinamica la maxim 1200 kg (de aceea spuneam in alt articol, ca in alpinism, trebuie sa nu se depaseasca factor 1 de cadere, prin care, se ajunge doar la 800 kg\u2026 adica \u201c8g\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>Restul energiei inmagazinate de corpul in cadere (din afara zonei hasurate) va trebuie sa fie disipata de restul echipamentului cataratorului (amortizor, coarda, bucle\u2026).<\/p>\n<p>Si alte studii, de diverse dispozitive si de diverse materiale alpine, traseaza diverse grafice comparative (toate diferite, de la caz la caz), precum e si urmatorul :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/grafic-rezistenta-la-solicitare-statica-si-dinamica.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-538\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/grafic-rezistenta-la-solicitare-statica-si-dinamica.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"235\" height=\"151\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sublinem din nou : reactia dinamica e foarte scurta (fractiuni de secunda !!) motiv pentru care materialele se comporta in mod specific (si aparte, diferit de cazul static), asa cum se puncteaza in graficile de mai jos :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-evidentiat.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-539\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-evidentiat.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"476\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-evidentiat.png 600w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-evidentiat-300x238.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-in-succesiune.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-540\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-in-succesiune-1024x773.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"483\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-in-succesiune-1024x773.png 1024w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-in-succesiune-300x227.png 300w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/socul-in-succesiune-768x580.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/forta-comparativ-cu-energia-acumulata.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-541\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/forta-comparativ-cu-energia-acumulata.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"346\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/forta-comparativ-cu-energia-acumulata.png 346w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/forta-comparativ-cu-energia-acumulata-300x216.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 346px) 100vw, 346px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Incercand o sinteza (tot grafica) a celor compilate mai sus, am generat graficul (final) urmator :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/Doc1.docx\">Doc1<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSCN2283.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-542\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSCN2283.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"490\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSCN2283.jpg 600w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSCN2283-300x245.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Se vede ca avem de comparat un \u201cspit\u201d cu o \u201ccocoasa\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Pe dinamic, dreptunghiul \u201cenergetic\u201d e mai \u201cfiliform\u201d, iar pe static, respectivul dreptunghi devine mai \u201cbondoc\u201d ! Asta e marea diferenta (care face greu compararea \u201cstresului\u201d generat in material) !<\/p>\n<p>Fortand nota (si iesind din fizica si din matematica !),daca fortam \u201cfiliformul\u201d sa se \u201cbondoceasca\u201d\u2026 am putea sa comparam inaltimea \u201cbondocului\u201d cu cea a \u201cbondocitului \u201c rezultat, pentru a face o asa zisa \u201ccomparatie\u201d\u2026. Un soc maricel , dar foarte redus ca durata, poate ca nu afecteaza cat un efort mai redus, dar extins in timp\u2026 Si invers : un soc nu foarte mare dar nici exagerat de scurt, poate deteriora materialul mai mult decat un efort consistent si incarcat mai rezonabil.<\/p>\n<p>FIECARE COMBINATIE FORTA\/TIMP, GENEREAZA (fiecare dintre ele) CATE O SOLICITARE<strong> DIFERITA<\/strong> A MATERIALULUI \u2026.. diversitate care se &#8222;diversifica&#8221; la randul ei, DE LA MATERIAL LA MATERIAL !!!&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Ce rezulta ? O infinitate de situatii si respectiv de solutii !<\/p>\n<p>La elementele dinamice, cum ar fi coarda dinamica, evaluarea se face intr-un mod aparte. Socul trebuieste limitat la valoarea suportabila pentru catarator, iar evaluarea cantitativa a \u201c stresului \u201c acumulat in material, se face la numarul de socuri extreme (factor 2) pentru care coarda e garantata ca nu se rupe\u2026.(cam pe la 5-6 socuri se exprima \u201c stresul\u201d acumulat). Singurul caz cand se disociaza clar abordarea dinamica de cea statica !!!<\/p>\n<p>Mergand mai departe insa, intr-un LANT de elemente (piton, bucla, carabiniera, coarda, ham\u2026) obsevam ca unele dintre aceste elemente se comporta preponderent static, iar altele se comporta preponderent dinamic (la o solicitare comuna, unica,&#8230; statica sau dinamica). Si atunci, cum le alaturam ? Cum le comparam pentru a le putea inlantui ?<\/p>\n<p>Raspunsul e total surprinzator : NICICUM !!! (adica nicicum in mod direct si empiric !!!).<\/p>\n<p>Pentru ca nu putem, nu avem cum\u2026. E ingrozitor de complicat, si, implicit, nu merita efortul\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Ce se poate totusi face in situatia asta ?<\/p>\n<p>Simplu ! Neasteptat de simplu\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Supunem TOT lantul de elemente, la diverse solicitari\/socuri, din ce in ce mai \u201cstresante\u201d si vedem care element cedeaza. Acel element se va inlocui cu un element mai \u201crezistent\u201d, si, se reitereaza experimentul pana cand se constata ca verigile lantului studiat, se comporta aproape similar \u00a0SI ADECVAT (ca raspuns la solicitarile SPECIFICE aplicate ).<\/p>\n<p>Un exemplu dilematic ? Pai lantul de kit de via ferrata : carabinierele (de pe cablu) \u00a0sunt cu 50 % peste cele de escalada (minim 3 tone !), iar in capatul opus, legarea la ham, se face cu un \u201clat\u201d pe coarda, ceea ce reduce cu 50 % rezistenta conexiunii !?!?!&#8230; iar apoi, la randul ei, structura de cablu (ancore plus cleme), ar trebui sa fie inca ceva in pus, superioara &#8222;ierarhic&#8221; acestui lant din kit\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Adica, structura de cablu, sa fie oricum superioara (la extrem) comportamentului corzii (sau, de ex., a buclelor de chinga \u2013 care au rol cam identic cu coarda-)\u2026 deci , iata : am facut \u00a0O \u201cierahizare\u201d a rezistentei\u00a0 elementelor la stres\u2026 sistemul de cablu, comparat &#8222;ierarhic&#8221;, cu coarda\/buclele de chinga.<\/p>\n<p>In concluzie : Nu exista o &#8222;formula magica&#8221; de comparare (direct\/nemijlocit \u2013 in tone- ) a elementelor unui lant de asigurare\u2026 LE PUTEM DOAR COMPARA IMPLICIT(intre ele si IN CONDITII SPECIFICE, adica, intr-un anumit context si fara libera extrapolare).<\/p>\n<p>Si asta vom face !<\/p>\n<p>(Revenim cu un experiment concret\u2026)<\/p>\n<p>P.S. arhiva anul 1985 :<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/scan0009.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-531\" src=\"http:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/scan0009.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"444\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/scan0009.jpg 444w, https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/scan0009-222x300.jpg 222w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 444px) 100vw, 444px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Elemente de asigurare statica si dinamica in alpinism &nbsp; Circula diverse discutii privind stabilirea unei relatii (oricat de aproximative) intre efortul static la care rezista un material (\u201cscula\u201d) de alpinism si corespondentul acestui efort intr-un soc dinamic (echivalent ca efect&hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/2018\/11\/24\/static-versus-dinamic-in-alpinism\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue Reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":531,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25],"tags":[4,99,97,98,8,96],"class_list":["post-529","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-proceduri","tag-alpinism","tag-asigurare","tag-dinamic","tag-masurare","tag-siguranta","tag-static"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/529","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=529"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/529\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":555,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/529\/revisions\/555"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/531"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=529"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=529"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/adrian.cassiomontana.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=529"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}